Commons:Deletion requests/Commons:Stroke Order Project/Graphics guidelines/Bitmap animations

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Commons:Stroke Order Project/Graphics guidelines/Bitmap animations[edit]

I consider that this guidelines for doing the animations for the Commons:Stroke Order Project are confusing. I created new guidelines a year ago, "/Bitmap animations using GIMP, which was based on the mentioned guidelines and explain the same (they are not perfect but clearer).
Note: I edited the reason above because I gave words, in which I mean other things. FanNihongo (talk) 06:33, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just back from a no-ww-wnet zone, I'll have to proofread the whole thing before giving an opinion. Be patient. Michelet-密是力 (talk) 18:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One comment: I think that we have a problem of language barrier, because of that, from now on I will ask you about your words to avoid misunderstandings. With that said: What do you mean by "proofread"? because to me you used the wrong word. I think that what you wanted to say instead of "proofread" is "to try out".
Because of that I will take your answer in this way: "I've just went back from a zero internet zone, I'll have to try out the whole thing before giving an opinion. Be patient."
After that preamble I will give you my answer: Ok, go and try it out, I will be patient. But do not take too long or I will say that you forgot about this, and if that happen you will disappoint me. Bonne journée. FanNihongo (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Micheletb: One final comment: I only ask you for a clarification(not for your opinion, of which I will be patient): (Again)What do you mean by proofread? What will you do exactly? will you try out my method? Will you correct my or your method?
Because if you don't clarify your answer or be more specific, I will stick with my interpretation of your answer from my above comment(which I will assume that you had read). I know that you maybe are busy, so I expect your clarification when you can, and regarding the opinion that you have promised me, I think that three months are a reasonable deadline. Please read it carefully, because I do not like misunderstandings. FanNihongo (talk) 05:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Micheletb: Three months have passed, and I was patient. I was hoping that this situation never happen, but at the end you sadly have disappointed me. I am not waiting for your answer anymore. FanNihongo (talk) 07:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I have not at all any knowledge about GIF animation, so I cannot tell whether the page is useful. I just see that many animation requests are still waiting for fulfillment – so I think it's not yet over?
When better guidelines exist, they can be linked to the discussed ones. -- sarang♥사랑 06:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your opinion and your encouragement words. "I just see many animation requests that are still waiting to be fulfilled – so I think it's not yet over?" Nope, it is not over, maybe one day I fulfill them all. "When better guidelines exist, they can be linked into the discussed one." Thank you for doing that, although the user Yug also did it. FanNihongo (talk) 05:44, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Symbol keep vote.svg Keep. This page is reasonable. Ostensibly, it is about how stroke-order bitmap animations should be done. The proposed replacement is more specific advice about using GIMP. To the extent that the advice on this page is inappropriate or outdated, then edit the information to follow current practice. Glrx (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Glrx: Could you explain your arguments better. The text/The ideas that you wrote above is/are puzzling me. FanNihongo (talk) 05:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@FanNihongo: Glrx is saying the two page have different purpose. The older one is generalistic. Yours is 2020's GIMP centered. According to this reading, both page can be kept. (I haven't fully review both page yet so I can't say yet, but I started to improve your version ^^ ) Yug (talk) 08:08, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yug is correct; many people may use GIMP, but it is not the only bitmap editor. In addition, several stroke order illustrations link to the DR page, so deleting the page would break useful links about making stroke order illustrations. Glrx (talk) 15:38, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • First, there is clearly duplication of know how, so some clean up / merging will be necessary. Keeping two parallel process for one task is confusing and must be addressed. Second, the one who push forward must lead. If FanNihongo has energy to lead a push on -order.gif and possibly to attract new contributors on this task, we got to support him, have his back, and help him clean up the place. I currently dig into his work to do so. Yug (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Symbol delete vote.svg Delete In the current state of the guidelines(are outdated, a mess and puzzling), they have to be deleted. But if they are kept of still not deleted, then I will clarify them as much as I can, and discourage its use in favor of the guidelines that I wrote. FanNihongo (talk) 05:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Note that current deletion tag results Commons:Stroke Order Project/Graphics guidelines also shown a deletion tag, should this page also be nominated for deletion? If not, please apply <noinclude></noinclude>. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 06:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
     Not done Message for the user or admin that comes: No, that page shouldn't be nominated for deletion. I don't know if the tag that appears, affect that page in any way, if it does, then please take care of that, because I don't know how to apply that tag. FanNihongo (talk) 05:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    ✓ Done The user HyperGaruda, already took care of that. FanNihongo (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Symbol delete vote.svg Delete On this comment I will explain my arguments with facts about why these guidelines should be deleted. I already said that these guidelines were outdated, a mess and puzzling, I will explain why:

This revision is from the year 2006, the year in which these guidelines were created, and the Stroke Order Project just was starting. These guidelines explained how to create animated "-order.gif" images, in a size of 100px. I don't know if from that time, those images could be done solely using GIMP, but in this case they spoke about gif editors in general.

On this revision they specify that (edited Quote:)"There should be at least two steps for dots and three steps for line elements". [This image] is an example of an image made in that time.
On the next revisions they keep adding or removing details here and there.

To me this revision is a turning point, because at a certain point in the project, someone decided to change the size of the animated images from 100px to 300px. On the revision from above you can see that they just change "100x100 px" to "300x300 px". But in future revisions, they never update the rest of the instructions to be congruent with the new size. Because of that there is a big incongruence on the guidelines.

This is the Revision, when the "Backward character construction" method is added. With that addition those guidelines ended up as being two guidelines put toguether. In the current guidelines that detail was not explained anywhere. The users that read that are not fortune tellers, so they can got confused because of the explained before.
Furthermore, the "Backward character construction" method, wasn't even designed to be part of the guidelines, it was taken from [here], from a comment.

In my opinion the stroke order project started as something small and simple, but as the years passed the things became more and more complicated. The creators just write them and added details here and there, and with that they were done. After that they only focus on the creation of new material(-order.gif image, bw.png image, etc.). On top of that, the team was disbanded in 2007, see this [link]. Because of all explained before those guidelines were left neglected for years and years. FanNihongo (talk) 03:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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