User talk:FanNihongo

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Animated images

Hola, gracias por tus buenos gráficos. When you create a new animation of a Chinese letter of the AnimationRequest, please overload the request image with your new version and correct the category (user Unogeo did it the wrong way with ⺝--order.gif, causing a deletion procedure). Thank you -- sarang♥사랑 06:51, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Updating stroke animations for 𰻞 (Biáng)

Hi, I've made some small improves for File:Biáng (regular script).svg, so can you please update File:Biáng-order complete.gif and File:Biáng-order.gif? Thanks. --Great Brightstar (talk) 04:49, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I will add them to my priority list. But because this is the most complex character ever made, it will take me many weeks. FanNihongo (talk) 06:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I tried to rename it 𰻞-order.gif, but it fails, likely because that unicode point is too recent and not yet on some part of Wikimedia's upload / storage system. Yug (talk) 20:12, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

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  Regular. To rename Biáng-kaishu.svg

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  Seems incorrect to me.

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  Seems correct stroke order

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Yug (talk) 10:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

It's a very rare character and very time-consuming one to animate. Typically, this character should be done in -sbs.gif style to expedite it faster. Yug (talk) 21:06, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The -red.png style is not suitable for elements with more than 10 strokes (=10 shades).

An alternative solusion is to do each component from black to red.

(But again, I think such rare (R.O.I. low) and complex (Investment high) character are better left untreated. The task is too costly. Yug (talk) 22:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment, about the -red.png image, having the colors so diluted, makes it impractical.

Note: if you want me to correct or change something, let's discuss about that at the Biáng-red.png's discussion page. FanNihongo (talk) 05:10, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

@Yug: If the stroke order of the File:Biáng-order complete.gif is wrong. Should we nominate it for deletion?. FanNihongo (talk) 23:07, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Note the following:

1. In the Unihan Database 𰻞 is reported to be composed of 58 strokes.
2. Also in the Unihan Database 𰻞 has UTC-00791 as its kIRG_USource but no other IRG sources. In other words, no nation considers 𰻞 part of its character repertoire. Consequently, 𰻞 cannot have a canonical stroke order in Hong Kong, Japan, Macao, Mainland China, North Korea, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, the UK, or the US that are represented in the IRG that is responsible for Unicode/UCS Han character encoding (including the Unihan Database).
3. My Wenlin Dictionary has this character, but with 镸 instead of 長. Stroke order is animatable, and the writing order is: 穴月幺镸言馬幺镸刂辶. That is, the components from 月 to 刂 follow left-to-right order, and ⿱幺镸 as well as ⿱言馬 are treated as blocks. BTW, 镸 and 馬 are written with the top héng (一) stroke first, as in Mainland China, Singapore etc.
4. Popular songs are poor sources for stroke orders, certainly inferior to Richard S. Cook's expert Wenlin Dictionary.
5. If you are hunting time and ink-consuming characters: There are Unicode Han characters with more strokes, namely 𠔻 and 𪚥 with 64 strokes each. In the Wenlin Dictionary there is also the Han character 8 Dragons with 128 strokes, and the author of this page introduces a Han character with 160 strokes. Wow! (I have no time to create an SVG of that one.) Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 09:44, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

P.S. Yug is right, Biáng-order complete.gif's first-sides-then-middle writing order (長長馬) contradicts basic writing rules and any tradition I ever encountered, and I can't imagine there's a community that considers such practice correct let alone recommendable. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 11:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. FanNihongo (talk) 23:05, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

File:阝-torder.gif

Hello FanNihongo, happy to see your uploads. On this one I had to revert back to Micheletb's version. The order is the same, but the number of strokes is different in -torder.gif (3) and -order.gif (2). That's why we need 2 files and a longer pause to divide the right-side strokes in 2.

I also fixed a bit your userpage by converting some code into true wiki codes. Links to wikimedia pages just needs [[title]]. Please chack your userpage's history to see the changes. Yug (talk) 19:57, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Kanji japonés

Hola, te escribo porque veo que eres el líder del Stroke Order Project y porque sigues activo. Leí tu información que publicaste y yo también estoy aportando en la página como parte de mi estudio (de japonés). Por el momento estoy haciendo mis aportes principalmente en esta página. Me gustaría agregar el orden de los trazos en las páginas que estoy creando, pero veo que hay muchísimos kanji que faltan y no veo que muchos usuarios aporten imágenes para poder hacerlo. ¿Está en tus planes también aportar para el japonés? También me gustaría aportar creando yo mismo los gifs, pero por el momento no cuento con los recursos ni los conocimientos necesarios para hacerlo. De cualquier manera, ¡muchas gracias por tus aportes y éxito con tu estudio! GPOW 5 00:40, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Hola, gracias por el ánimo, no por el momento no está en mis planes aportar con el japonés, ya que estoy aprendiendo chino. Si quieres agregarlas, adelante, y si quieres ayudar creando GIF's también eres bienvenido, aquí hay dos manuales para crearlas, en este link está el que hice yo, y en este link están las que hizo Micheletb, por desgracia están en inglés, eres libre de escoger la que te guste.

Posdata: Ese libro de japonés, en el que participas está interesante, ¡buena suerte con eso! FanNihongo (talk) 05:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

For the tutorials, the colors must be clarified, from "Bitmap_animations" I believe the convention it is :

• Black: 0;0;0 & #000000
• Grey: 192;192;192 & #C0C0C0.

But It may be safer to check Wikic's gif color values as well. Yug (talk) 10:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Question about the Toki Pona Sitelen Sitelen

@LiliCharlie: Before asking you a question, let me explain you something: I once wanted to upload the Sitelen Sitelen characters(in my own art style), but I never do it, because the are copyrighted by Jonathan Gabel(I think), here is his page.
So if the Sitelen Sitelen characters are copyrighted by Jonathan Gabel. How come you can upload its characters? FanNihongo (talk) 06:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Here's Jonathan's site-wide license: https://jonathangabel.com/license/. It says:

"This site is built under the Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0).

You are free to:

• Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format
• Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material

As long as you:

• give appropriate credit". So go ahead.

Once we're at it: If you want to build upon kai-style fonts with an appropriate license, you could use "AR PL KaitiM Big5" and "AR PL KaitiM GB" that were released by Arphic Technology under the Arphic Public License. There are also extended and adapted derivatives under the same license, such as "AR PL UKai", "AR PL UKai-ExtC", "AR PL UKai HK", etc. — The copyright notice of "TW-MOE-Std-Kai" reads: "(c) This license allows for redistribution, commercial and non-commercial, as long as it is passed along unchanged and in whole, with credit to MOE", so you may not modify that one, or use only part it. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 12:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. FanNihongo (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Appealing decision for the file File:⺦-order.gif

@Ellywa: I write this to you because I disagree with you decision of keeping the File:⺦-order.gif(DR)
You gave this reason: "I see no valid reason for deletion of this file on the policy page, Commons:Deletion policy.".
There do is a reason to delete this file on the Deletion policy, on this link (Redundant/bad quality).
Quote: "Redundant or low-quality files only get deleted on a case-by-case basis... "
Quote from wiktionary: Redundant = "Superfluous; exceeding what is necessary, no longer needed."

I hope I made myself clear: the File:⺦-order.gif was created only as an animation request(which is on this category), to be replaced for an animated version, but because an animated version was already created, which is this , then the File:⺦-order.gif is redundant(no longer needed).
Those were my arguments, that file should be deleted. FanNihongo (talk) 03:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I have to go with all arguments on the DR. As User:Sarang wrote, the files have a different style. I am not a specialist on Chinese calligraphy of course, but I agree the images are different. And therefore File:⺦-order.gif is not redundant (because different) and should not be deleted. Perhaps there is another version showing the same style? I did not look for that, but if it is not present, I am still of the opinion the file is not redundant. If you still disagree on this, you can nominate the image again for deletion. Another admin might decide differently. For reference the three images again:

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  Regular Style CJKV SVG (<1K)
  (Radical 090 (2).svg)
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  animated GIF (8K)
  (丬-order.gif)
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  GIF (2K)
  (⺦-order.gif, now just ⺦.gif)
  file discussed on the DR

Regards, Ellywa (talk) 10:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I thank you for your explanation, now I see that my arguments need more context.

Which is this: The images on this category are only requests to be animated for the Stroke Order Project, on that project we create animations like these, and we also have guidelines to create them(The recommended guidelines are these). As you can see those animations must be done in the kaishu calligraphic style.
In conclusion that file is still redundant and should be deleted. In this case, the fact that that file was uploaded with a Ming typeface only makes it difficult to do these kind of maintenance tasks(delete unused files). FanNihongo (talk) 02:48, 12 December 2021 (UTC)